tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post8879200300995788694..comments2023-10-15T07:30:49.983-07:00Comments on Shirley Cook - Jumping Jack Glass: A Little Fiber, A Little GlassShirley Cook - Jumping Jack Glasshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08026220287892386166noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-1748188867686175862009-11-02T16:05:17.430-08:002009-11-02T16:05:17.430-08:00You have to anneal beads or they will break - mayb...You have to anneal beads or they will break - maybe not today or tomorrow but later. If you sell them you don't want your customers coming back!Beaver Island Jewelryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05313380163716435644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-22166468654379062012009-11-02T04:11:26.642-08:002009-11-02T04:11:26.642-08:00I've never even heard of flame annealing, and ...I've never even heard of flame annealing, and after four years living and working in beads and glass here on Murano, someone would have mentioned it by now. Traditionally, most people have used wood ash to anneal,for beads smaller than 14mm. Anything bigger is put into a kiln. <br />There are many many artisans and production beaders that work without a kiln, using only wood ash pots.<br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16164075844258042651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-26975325013771589622009-11-02T01:15:21.918-08:002009-11-02T01:15:21.918-08:00If you can re-create in your flame the exact temp,...If you can re-create in your flame the exact temp, soak-time and first 100 F ramp-down rate of an electronically-controlled kiln no problem, you can flame-anneal. Anyone who can actually do it give me a call...<br /><br />As to your felt piece, it reminds me... of a brain. Too much Halloween ?Anne Londezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13343549818161416453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-40039818033347547652009-11-01T19:50:16.370-08:002009-11-01T19:50:16.370-08:00I think the issue has already been put to rest and...I think the issue has already been put to rest and I agree with everyone regarding kiln-annealing being a key ingredient in "finishing" a bead.<br /><br />I'm just going to use my own beads as an example. I took my first class and we did not kiln-anneal our first beads in this class. We "flame-finished" them. All of my beads from this class have broken. One broke on the Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05533784703781674844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-6456696355279709312009-11-01T18:40:53.460-08:002009-11-01T18:40:53.460-08:00Thanks to all of you for your comments!
Jenny, yo...Thanks to all of you for your comments!<br /><br />Jenny, you made me laugh out loud! (grenade... wow!)Shirley Cook - Jumping Jack Glasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08026220287892386166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-66987151876982928542009-11-01T18:17:29.048-08:002009-11-01T18:17:29.048-08:00Sorry, I should have specified. Yes, they were fla...Sorry, I should have specified. Yes, they were flame annealed. My DH insisted I have a kiln when I started doing this. His theory is if you do something do it well. We had a girl in our local bead group that always sold beads right off the mandrel at shows. She'd demo, somebody would want to buy it and she'd sell it to them. <br /><br />She insisted the beads were flame annealed. So, I Cindyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02915240333291697379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-69758249357180147892009-11-01T18:14:54.453-08:002009-11-01T18:14:54.453-08:00Hey beautiful! Personally, I think that felt item ...Hey beautiful! Personally, I think that felt item looks more like a grenade or pine cone than anything else. ;-D <br /><br />On the glass question, I do think we need to move away from even using the word "anneal" with this technique (of cooling the bead back to color in the flame before parking it.) Obviously smaller beads can survive for a while without a kiln treatment -- but then Jenny @ TAGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-78566335365533158002009-11-01T18:07:44.287-08:002009-11-01T18:07:44.287-08:00I anneal my beads in a kiln. I do not flame annea...I anneal my beads in a kiln. I do not flame anneal my beads. I'd be afraid that they would break.rosebud101https://www.blogger.com/profile/04266675372008597168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-89298594535016121902009-11-01T18:04:48.099-08:002009-11-01T18:04:48.099-08:00I love the felted piece! Reminds me of grapes, a ...I love the felted piece! Reminds me of grapes, a giant raspberry, or caviar! Guess I'm hungry!<br />As to annealing, I was taught to flame anneal prior to putting the bead in the kiln. I would not sell a bead that has not been annealed in the kiln. It is just too risky and why take the chance with your work and reputation?esbeadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03755916389382140224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-72308921387205944892009-11-01T18:04:27.967-08:002009-11-01T18:04:27.967-08:00Flame annealing just plain isn't annealing. Yo...Flame annealing just plain isn't annealing. You can work a bead in and out of the flame to help keep the outside warm while the core cools *slightly* but it's absolutely not the same as the slow, controlled cooling you get in a properly programmed kiln. Small beads may survive for a considerable period of time, but larger beads will crack due to the stresses of uneven cooling.Karen Sherwoodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-86999496717153540742009-11-01T17:59:53.653-08:002009-11-01T17:59:53.653-08:00I think there is plenty of science available on th...I think there is plenty of science available on the topic. The "soak" time and rate at which you actually must reduce the temperature is just physically impossible to recreate with so-called "flame annealing". Unless you are talking about really tiny beads with nothing fancy (like metal, dichro, or glass with the possibility of even a small difference in COE). <br /><br />My b2https://www.blogger.com/profile/07862657020935573023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-57778799507370597472009-11-01T17:59:28.543-08:002009-11-01T17:59:28.543-08:00Nope, not possible. The "flame annealing&qu...Nope, not possible. The "flame annealing" I have seen is really putting a layer of soot on your bead. It acts as an insulator, but does nothing to anneal the bead. Look at it this way.. when you take your bead out of the flame, the inner core is a hotter temp than the outer core. As soon as it hits room temp, the outer core starts a rapid cool down. You are taking your piece out Sara Sallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315786327347901530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-65790529735164015922009-11-01T17:54:24.117-08:002009-11-01T17:54:24.117-08:00'Flame annealing'is NOT annealing a bead. ...'Flame annealing'is NOT annealing a bead. To anneal a bead it must be put in a kiln at a temperature higher than the stress point of the glass and slowly brought to room temperature. I'm not going to go into the whole annealing process but a bead that hasn't been annealed in a kiln should not be sold.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-28885190043625248942009-11-01T17:39:39.726-08:002009-11-01T17:39:39.726-08:00Cindy, I'm with you. And it's interesting...Cindy, I'm with you. And it's interesting about the cracking - were they flame annealed?<br /><br />Pam, regarding the felting thing - if I had done it in other colors, I might have used it for some sea anemone type of thing. But this is going to end up on a "tree". :-)Shirley Cook - Jumping Jack Glasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08026220287892386166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-22846678994156262042009-11-01T17:30:36.926-08:002009-11-01T17:30:36.926-08:00re: the flame annealing question... my beads are w...re: the flame annealing question... my beads are way too big to even consider doing that, it would never work. I did once have a pretty famous beadmaker tell me that the small crunched beads really can survive without being kiln annealed... but if you've got a kiln running anyway, why not be better safe than sorry?<br /><br />now that felt thing.... wow! It reminds me of a brain. no, coral, Pam @ The Blue Betweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04089230229610745433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22818638.post-10369620829242854542009-11-01T17:27:58.676-08:002009-11-01T17:27:58.676-08:00I started lampworking about 8 years ago. I heard t...I started lampworking about 8 years ago. I heard the 'anneal' don't anneal but flame anneal argument all the time. I had some nice sized beads I was quite proud of so I put them into a bracelet. Just 6 months ago they all began to crack. <br /><br />I have too much pride in my work to sell something and have it do this. My reputation is on the line.Cindyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02915240333291697379noreply@blogger.com